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Sunday, February 12, 2017

The Disciples Creed


If Christianity is wrong, then it's unimportant.
If Christianity is right, then it's most important.
One thing Christianity cannot be is just moderately important.
CS Lewis



The Disciples Creed
Adapted by Ray Sammons

1 This is by Bible.
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. (2Ti 3:16 NLT)

2 I am what is says that I am.
This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun! (2Co 5:17 NLT)
God made the one who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that in him we would become the righteousness of God.(2Co 5:21 NET.)
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. (Rom 8:14 NET.)

3 I can do what it says I can do.
In everything give thanks. For this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. (1Th 5:18 NET.)
My brothers and sisters, consider it nothing but joy when you fall into all sorts of trials, (Jas 1:2 NET.)
"But I say to you who are listening: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. (Luk 6:27-28 NET.)

4 If it teaches anything that I don’t believe, I will change my belief.
For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires. (Heb 4:12 NLT)

5 Having studied it [each time I study it], I don’t ever, ever want to be the same.
Don't change yourselves to be like the people of this world, but let God change you inside with a new way of thinking. Then you will be able to understand and accept what God wants for you. You will be able to know what is good and pleasing to him [and to you] and what is perfect [to him and to you]. (Rom 12:2 ERV)


Saturday, February 11, 2017

CS Lewis said Jesus was Wrong


I’ve always liked CS Lewis, I’ve admired his way of writing, his level of thought, and I’ve always had some reservations about him saying “Jesus was wrong.” So I found the source of the claim, because I wanted to read it for myself.

Here is some of what I found.

In 1960 he wrote a book, “The World’s Last Night: And Other Essays”. In the book, he asks the question, “What if last night was the world last night – Jesus returns today?”
I’ve not read the whole book, but the ideas contemplated are most interesting! He deals for several enjoyable pages on the idea of life being discovered on other planets and our interaction with other beings. He concludes:
The supposed threat [of life on other planets] is clearly directed against the
doctrine of the Incarnation, the belief that God of God
"for us men and for our salvation came down from
heaven and was . . . made man." (page 83)
And from there he goes on to develop five points of interesting speculation about these ‘other beings’ interacting with us as fallen beings in need of a savior. I do him a disservice by quoting only select passages but this seems, to sum up his treatise on ‘other beings’:
What we believe always remains intellectually possi- 
ble; it never becomes intellectually compulsive. I have 
an Idea that when this ceases to be so, the world will be 
ending. We have been warned that all but conclusive 
evidence against Christianity, evidence that would de- 
ceive (If it were possible) the very elect, will appear 
with Antichrist. 
 
And after that there will be wholly conclusive 
evidence on the other side. 
 
But not, I fancy, till then on either side. 
From here he abandons the idea of ‘other aliens’ and concentrates on the second coming of Jesus. Rather than summarizing such noble thoughts that Lewis develops I’ll copy him:
.HERE are many rea- 
sons why the modern Christian and even the modern 
theologian may hesitate to give to the doctrine of 
Christ's Second Coming that emphasis which was 
usually laid on it by our ancestors. Yet it seems to me 
impossible to retain in any recognisable form our belief 
in the Divinity of Christ and the truth of the Christian 
revelation while abandoning, or even persistently neg- 
lecting, the promised, and threatened, Return. "He 
shall come again to judge the quick and the dead/' says 
the Apostles' Creed. "This same Jesus/' said the angels 
in Acts, "shall so come in like manner as ye have seen 
him go into heaven." "Hereafter/' said our Lord him- 
self (by those words inviting crucifixion) , "shall ye 
see the Son of Man . . . coming in the clouds of 
heaven." If this is not an integral part of the faith once 
given to the saints, I do not know what is. In the follow- 
ing pages I shall endeavour to deal with some of the 
thoughts that may deter modern men from a firm belief 
in, or a due attention to, the return or Second Coming 
of the Saviour. I have no claim to speak as an expert in 
 
93 
 
 
 
THE WORLD S LAST NIGHT 
 
any of the studies involved, and merely put forward the 
reflections which have arisen in my own mind and have 
seemed to me (perhaps wrongly) to be helpful. They 
are all submitted to the correction of wiser heads. 
 
The grounds for modern embarrassment about this 
doctrine fall into two groups, which may be called the 
theoretical and the practical. 1 will deal with the theo- 
retical first. 
Following page 93 he develops several ideas about the Second Coming from the doubter’s and naysayers point of view.
Then on page 97 comes the quote where Lewis supposedly calls Jesus wrong. He is postulating about what the doubters might say:
But there is worse to come. "Say what you like/* we 
shall be told, "the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Chris- 
 
97 
 
 
 
THE WORLD S LAST NIGHT 
 
tians have been proved to be false. It is clear from the 
New Testament that they all expected the Second 
Coming in their own lifetime. And, worse still, they 
had a reason, and one which you will find very embar- 
rassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and 
indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many 
words, 'this generation shall not pass till all these things 
be done/ And he was wrong. He clearly knew no more 
about the end of the world than anyone else." 
End of quote – these are not Lewis’ words, but a conjured quote for the sake of argument.
Lewis acknowledges these are difficult verses and then goes on to show how they are basic proof that the New Testament writers and their copyists were honest men:
And unless later copyists were equally honest 
they would never have preserved the (apparently) mis- 
taken prediction about "this generation** after the pas- 
sage of time had shown the (apparent) mistake. This 
passage (Mark 13:30-32) and the cry "Why hast thou 
forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34) together make up the 
strongest proof that the New Testament is historically 
reliable. The evangelists have the first great characteris- 
 
98 
 
 
 
THE WORLD S LAST NIGHT 
 
tic of honest witnesses: they mention facts which are, 
at first sight, damaging to their main contention. 
I don’t see from these passages where Lewis thought Jesus was ‘wrong’. Lewis understands us to be fallen people, Jesus is Incarnate, and he’s coming again.
The doctrine of the Second Coming teaches us that 
we do not and cannot know when the world drama will 
end. The curtain may be rung down at any moment: 
say, before you have finished reading this paragraph. Page 105
The doctrine of the Second Coming teaches us that 
we do not and cannot know when the world drama will 
end. The curtain may be rung down at any moment: 
say, before you have finished reading this paragraph.
Lewis understands the Bible says we too are to be ready for his coming at any time:
Note the therefore. Precisely because we cannot pre- 
dict the moment, we must be ready at all moments. Our 
Lord repeated this practical conclusion again and again; 
as if the promise of the Return had been made for the 
sake of this conclusion alone. Watch, watch, is the bur- 
den of his advice. I shall come like a thief. You will not, 
 
107 
 
 
 
THE WORLD S LAST NIGHT 
 
I most solemnly assure you you will not, see me ap- 
proaching. If the householder had known at what time 
the burglar would arrive, he would have been ready for 
him. If the servant had known when his absent em- 
ployer would come home, he would not have been 
found drunk in the kitchen. But they didn't Nor will 
you. Therefore you must be ready at all times. The 
point is surely simple enough. The schoolboy does not 
know which part of his Virgil lesson he will be made to 
translate: that is why he must be prepared to translate 
any passage. The sentry does not know at what time an 
enemy will attack, or an officer inspect, his post: that is 
why he must keep awake all the time. The Return is 
wholly unpredictable. There will be wars and rumours 
of wars and all kinds of catastrophes, as there always are. 
Things will be, in that sense, normal, the hour before 
the heavens roll up like a scroll. You cannot guess it. If 
you could, one chief purpose for which it was foretold 
would be frustrated. And God's purposes are not so 
easily frustrated as that. One's ears should be closed 
against any future William Miller in advance. The 
folly of listening to him at all is almost equal to the folly 
of believing him. He couldn't know what he pretends, 
or thinks, he knows.

I‘ll quit here – my temptation is to quote the whole book – Lewis is interesting reading.
His lines at the end of the book don’t read like he thought Jesus was wrong:
We always hope that those who so clearly think us cowards or bullies are 
ignorant and malicious; we always fear that those who 
trust us or admire us are misled by partiality. I sup- 
pose the experience of the Final Judgment (which may 
 
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THE WORLD S LAST NIGHT 
 
break in upon us at any moment) will be like these lit- 
tle experiences, but magnified to the Nth. 
 
For it will be infallible judgment. If it is favorable 
we shall have no fear, if unfavorable, no hope, that it is 
wrong. We shall not only believe, we shall know, know 
beyond doubt in every fibre of our appalled or delighted 
being, that as the Judge has said, so we are: neither 
more nor less nor other. We shall perhaps even realise 
that in some dim fashion we could have known it all 
along. We shall know and all creation will know too: 
our ancestors, our parents, our wives or husbands, our 
children. The unanswerable and (by then) self-evident 
truth about each will be known to all. 




https://archive.org/stream/worldslastnighta012859mbp/worldslastnighta012859mbp_djvu.txt

Monday, December 19, 2016

Who is Jesus?


I came across this website (see below) that talks about who Jesus is. 

You are saying Jesus was wrong when he said in Mattnew 24.34, "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." You know it’s not part of my spiritual DNA to look the creator of the universe in the eye and say “You are wrong!” Nope, that’s not me now, and never will be.

You also know when I read an article I always want to know who is the author. Therefore, I feel this website helps our conversation by identifying who Jesus really is.

It’s like the formula of 10+5=3. On the surface, with a knee jerk reaction, one can quickly say it’s wrong, and anyone claiming otherwise is also wrong, and may even be evil. However, if two words are added (the assumptions are stated) everyone will say, “Of course it’s right, I do that all the time.”

Consider this: 10 o’clock + 5 hours = 3 o’clock. It’s in my DNA to project that illustration to the life of Jesus. When we understand the assumptions, then we will understand the meanings of his teachings. Until then, I contend he is always right, and if I don’t understand what he is saying, my lack of understanding does not give me the privilege to call him wrong, not now, not ever.

The website has this information:

In his famous book Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis makes this statement, "A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic--on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg--or he would be the devil of hell. You must take your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us.(emphasis: web author)"

Nobody has changed the world the way Jesus has. Nobody.

Throughout history, the influence Jesus had on the lives of people has never been surpassed. No other great leader has inspired so many positive changes in the lives of his followers. People who encounter the risen Christ are totally transformed. Their outlook on life is altered forever. Staying true to their faith, they do not hesitate to face hardship, persecution and even death. Many devote their lives to serving others, minimizing their own needs and desires.

The Resurrection

The resurrection is central to the Christian faith. If Jesus was not raised from the dead, then Christian beliefs don't amount to much, since Jesus himself said that he would be raised from the dead on the third day. On the other hand, if Jesus did rise from the dead, all his claims are true and we can know for sure that there is life after death.

A large volume of evidence exists to support the resurrection claims. In fact, there is more legal-historic evidence (the kind used in courtrooms) for the resurrection than there is for Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo. There are several reasons why those who have studied the resurrection are convinced beyond a doubt that it is true.




The Gospel

I ran across this bit on a website I was visiting, and I thought it was really good.

I like the analysis of all of us living as death row inmates. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

The Gospel

The Bible says the penalty for sin [pushback against God] is death, which makes all of us death row inmates.

The only way for us to be spared the death penalty is if someone else pays it for us. But sinners die to pay their own death penalty; only a sinless person can die to pay it for others. Since the latter does not exist, God in His love became man, lived a sinless life and then died on the cross to pay our death penalty for us.

The Bible says that those who sincerely believe having been thus purified go to heaven while those who reject Jesus' sacrificial gift go to hell, as follows:

"The wages of sin is death but, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23)

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

What about doing good works?

Christians do good works not to gain salvation but to obey, thank and honor Jesus for having saved us. Believing that good works saves is akin to death row inmates believing that good behavior while on death row will gain their freedom.

http://www.billionbibles.org/true-gospel.html



Saturday, December 17, 2016

Assumptions Matter


Kurt,

Over the years, we’ve talked long and hard about what is true, and what is not true about the meaning of life. Most of our discussion has center on the Jesus, Paul, and the Bible. We both read the same verses but come to very different conclusions. It’s like people looking and describing the Golden Gate bridge (in the earlier post).

I want to illustrate what I feel is our lack of communication with the following illustrations.

If I write, “10” and ask how many coins that represents some will say ten, and some will say two, and some will say sixteen and they can all be right.

If I write, “11” and ask the same question some will say eleven and some will say three, and they both can be right.

If I write, “14” and ask the same question some will say fourteen and some will say twenty, and they both can be right.

If I write, “10+4” and ask for the answer some will say fourteen and some will say two, and they both can be right.

The point is, no one can agree on the ‘right’ answer until they agree on their assumptions.

We usually assume people use a decimal system for numbers. But computer programmers work in both binary (base 2) and hexadecimal (base 16).

Decimal
Binary
Hexadecimal
0
0000
0
1
0001
1
2
0010
2
3
0011
3
4
0100
4
5
0101
5
6
0110
6
7
0111
7
8
1000
8
9
1001
9
10
1010
A
11
1011
B
12
1100
C
13
1101
D
14
1110
E
15
1111
F
16
00010000
10




















This principle applies to many areas of life, but none so important as the assumptions we make about Jesus and the Bible.

The difference you and I have Kurt, is we don’t agree on the assumptions we bring to the Bible. Until we can agree on those assumptions, then we will not be able to agree on our understanding and application of what the Bible says.

If you will allow me to cherry pick a verse – (so I don’t have to quote the whole Bible) I will give you a basis for my understanding:

2Pe 1:16-21 NLT  For we were not making up clever stories when we told you about the powerful coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We saw His majestic splendor with our own eyes  (17)  when He received honor and glory from God the Father. The voice from the majestic glory of God said to Him, "This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy."[Jesus is the Son of God]  (18)  We ourselves heard that voice from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. 

(19)  Because of that experience, we have even greater confidence in the message proclaimed by the [Old Testament] prophets. You must pay close attention to what they wrote, for their words are like a lamp shining in a dark place—until the Day dawns, and Christ the Morning Star shines in your hearts. 

(20)  Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet's own understanding,  (21)  or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God.

I assume from those verses, and a lot of others, and from the extra-biblical historical records, and from my own personal experience, that the Bible is reliable and is for us the word of God.

I don’t think we have a problem of agreeing that there is a God. And we can agree with Paul:

Rom 1:20 NLT  For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see His invisible qualities—His eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

The problem we seem to be having is what do we do about/with the God that created us.

I assume that God has given us his word to help us be conformed to the image of his son, and that his word is:

Heb 4:12 NLT  For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.

Because of my understanding, I like Joshua, have decided, “That for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” And I’m like Peter:

Luk 9:20 NLT  Then He asked them, "But who do you say I am?" Peter replied, "You [Jesus]are the Messiah sent from God!"

Luk 9:20 ESV  Then he said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” And Peter answered, “The Christ of God.”


Also, I try to learn from people that have made the same decisions I have made, paid the price that I want to pay, and that will continue helping me to become conformed into the image of Christ.


Perhaps we should spend more time on our assumptions, what we bring to the Bible, and less time discussing conclusions and meanings when they are not derived using the same assumptions.

If we don't agree on the facts, we'll never agree on the conclusions.